This Is Taking the Term Tiny House to a Whole New Level

For sale: Framed and roofed 8×12. Asking $2400.00

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An 8′ wide x 12′ long x 12′ high beginning of a tiny house. The framing is all reclamation materials and meets building codes. The roof is recycled metal. The floor can be used as is or install a floor on top. To fill in the walls, you would need roughly 26 2x4s and 10 sheets of plywood or MGO. It is tall enough for a loft. [ Ed: whoa, really??] It can fit on a trailer.

Now 8×12 is a pretty tiny tiny house by anyone’s standards – 96 square feet. The listing refers to it as a one bedroom, but aha, no bathrooms. I suppose one could move this to the woods and build an outhouse and call it home.

If I were to go tiny, I’d have to have the basic amenities. This one is for sale in CT at a way way too steep a price of $70k. For that amount of money, a real home, not on wheels can be bought in many towns across America.

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But it does have a bathroom and loft and is huge in comparison to the first home, coming in at 190 square feet.

There are time saving opportunities galore in the bathroom – wash your hands WHILE using the toilet – why wait until afterwards?
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And the loft is cute but who am I kidding – getting up and down wouldn’t be very easy, for me at least.
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Here’s a cedar tiny home in Saugerties NY, bragging they get $800/month income as an AirBnB listing – hey, more power to them! Asking $25k and 160 square feet.
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cute little house on wheels. 160 square feet. 8 x 20 on 6 ton trailer. wide board floors and siding, tin lights, copper gutters, quick connect water from hose, toilet, shower, point of use hot water heater, propane tank, cedar deck and 60 amp 6 circuit sub panel box. currently listed for 25K. Financing possible.

Currently get $800/mo on airbnb

But here’s the real problem for tiny house on wheels owners. THEY CAN NOT CONSIDERED A PERMANENT RESIDENCE.

From the website Inquisitor:

HUD’s new proposed rule would define an RV as “a factory build vehicular structure, not certified as a manufactured home, designed only for recreational use and not as a primary residence or for permanent occupancy.HUD’s rule would require that units claiming the RV exemption display a notice that identifies the standards used to construct the unit and state that the unit is designed only for recreational use, and not as a primary residence or permanent dwelling.

More from the Inquisitor article:

The new HUD proposal would make a tiny house, if built to ANSI or NFPA standards, an RV and not suitable for permanent occupancy. To clarify though, in most places in the United States, it’s already illegal to live permanently in an RV. Local zoning ordinances dictate whether you can permanently live in a tiny house or an RV. In most U.S. communities, RVs are considered temporary shelters only and tiny houses often can’t qualify for a certificate of occupancy. The IRC is a residential code that regulates minimum requirements for all aspects of residential home construction like plumbing, energy efficiency, and electrical work. A certificate of occupancy is given after an IRC-compliant build. Tiny houses can’t meet some current IRC standards like height and design requirements. Also, many tiny houses are built on trailers and the IRC doesn’t recognize trailers as an allowable foundation for a permanent dwelling. Tiny houses often have a difficult time qualifying as a full-time dwelling, even by current standards.

Just Google the term “HUD changing Tiny Homes on Wheels” and yikes, every tiny house activist there is on the earth has come out to rip apart the HUD ruling. This guy is one such activist with his headline : US Government Declaring All Out War on Tiny House Living. 

The author of the article is Isaac Davis: “Isaac Davis is a staff writer for WakingTimes.com and OffgridOutpost.com Survival Tips blog. He is an outspoken advocate of liberty and and a voluntary society. He is avid reader of history and passionate about becoming self-sufficient to break free of the control matrix” [Ed: Bernie supporter]

Here’s just one sentence from his article to give you a taste of his point of view:

The tiny house movement is one of the latest innovations in personal freedom from an overly consumeristic and a debt-driven society.

Well, okay, I’m not sure I’d take the HUD proposal that far but I do think there might be some people who will rethink a tiny house on wheels (it’s the wheels part that is the issue).

I do think there’s a booming market for people going tiny – it’s admirable in philosophy in one sense, less being more, but is it home ownership when there aren’t property taxes or IRS deductions? I only ask. I don’t know the answer.

 

 

26 thoughts on “This Is Taking the Term Tiny House to a Whole New Level

  1. Funny how having no space is now fashionable. I doubt my fore-bearers thought it was worthy of a TV show when they lived in unheated log homes with 8 kids in one bed and the outhouse by the tree.

    Agree the aspect of a tiny home on wheels skirts permanent home status but I know one or two seniors who sold their home and drive around the country calling their half-million dollar RV home. Can they for tax reasons call that their primary residence? If not, then they might have had to incur capital gains when they sold the old house and didn’t flip it into another one.

  2. The first house you listed is in Bridgeport CT and might be an upgrade for many residents there stuck in huge public housing complexes.

    EOS, do you know if Catherine’s move out was successful – any word from her? I hope she stays connected.

    1. I have not heard from Catherine. Last we knew from her, she was leaving yesterday or today. I am sure this blog is the last thing on her mind but yes, I too hope she stays connected. I’d love to know all about the transition.

  3. Aside from getting up into that loft, can you imagine making that bed?😱 I’ve been shopping for a new bed for our six year old, and would love to give him a bunk/loft/fun bed. His ceilings are 11 feet, but I cannot imagine changing that bottom sheet. He is a fairly orderly and clean boy, but he is still a boy, and it will only get worse if I put that chore on him. And, btw, have you shopped for a bed lately?🤑 I don’t feel like I can do it nicely for less than $3000. Which is ridiculous, he’ll probably end up with IKEA….to honor his Swedish heritage, yeah….that’s it…yeah😊

    1. Agree Agree Agree. Loft beds and even bunk beds are impossible to make. The Tiny House shows I’ve watched, the lofts have so little head room that standing up is a problem, so being on all fours to put on a fitted sheets – no thank you!!

      By bed Martha, do you mean shopping for the bed frame, or the frame and mattress too? Not surprised that you are seeing the $3000 mark. Sad but true. When our kids were old enough to transition, we bought each of them a good big bed that we thought they could eventually take with them to their permanent adult home. Ha, that was a good idea but it never panned out. No one wanted to take their traditional four poster bed and they sit up in the attic, probably doomed for a consignment shop. Speaking of consignment shops, that might be a good place to look if you want a good solid wood bed. There are a couple of good consignment shops in Greenwich – Estate Treasures and Consign It. Good luck.

      IKEA has plenty of merits, but you know they don’t last all that long. That’s their downside. Particle board warps too if your house is anywhere near the water.

  4. my grandparents set off to see the usa in their mega motorhome when they both retired as public school teachers. they got the itch to travel but wanted the comfort of feeling like they were home every night. the rv lifestyle suited them because they are both gregarious, liked being on the open road with no itinerary and no need to make a hotel reservation. the downside (for us) was we couldn’t go there for christmas or sit at their large dining room table for thanksgiving. the upside was they were happy as two new lovebirds and drove through 49 of the 50 states (not hawaii) and became the family champs in geography trivia. At some point my dad had to stop driving when his eyes were starting to fail. my mom didn’t feel she was able to drive the long home so they sold the motorhome and moved into a retirement community. rv’ing isn’t for everyone but it sure does free the spirit.

    1. It’s funny, every motorhome couple I see interviewed (I don’t know any personally) seem very very happy with their choice to be on the road full time. For me, seeing America that way would be marvelous but I’m pretty sure I couldn’t live full time in a motorhome. Mr. EOS and I looked at some when we were in Palm Springs and as large as some of them are, we didn’t see it as a lifestyle for us. I’m envious of people who can do this. I’m glad your grandparents found the experience so fulfilling.

  5. I think the tiny house is an interesting idea – but – only for singles or those looking for a reason to break up. It could only work for me if there was a deck that basically served as the living area (maybe outdoor shower or tub, too, off to the side.

    1. Ha ha. The tall guy had the funniest line- “there’s basically two rooms – inside and outside”. Tru dat.

      Asking for a friend, how on earth does a couple have sex in a tiny house loft? Doesn’t the low roofline present some basic problems in the rules of physics and dynamics?

      I’ve seen some tiny houses with outside decks etc but it adds weight to the frame and the more weight the heavier it is to relocate. Agree that it would be a must for me (if I were considering one, and I’m not, so there’s that!)

      1. For the ultimate in pre-fabrication, I’d go for a container house. I guess it takes a larger vehicle than some of those wood constructions (but, I’d like to think once it’s located it’ll be there awhile).

        1. Maybe but not all container houses are as cool as the one you posted, or these.

          I bet more have that look of Appalachia, with no offense to Appalachia!

  6. That’s a good idea about the consignment shops. Thanks!

    I will say, I get lured into the RV fantasy once in a while, usually around real estate tax paying day! We definitely want to take the boys for an extended tour around the US, and an RV seems like the most comfortable way to do that (icky hotels out in our heartland…).

    Of course, this is a much better alternative–although limited to coastal areas:

    1. I found the yacht and linked the photo in your comment. That’s doable!!!!!!!!!!!!

      There are tales galore of families who take their children sailing around the world – this family is out and about now and they post a link to what they call Boatschooling. I’m the Original Landlubber (says the gal who is voyaging across the Atlantic!) so I’d opt for the RV rather than the yacht but certainly the yacht gives the children that much more exposure to so many different cultures.

      1. You’d have to be a very close family to sail around the world versus being in an RV. There are days upon days at sea that would drive me to drink ocean water. The RV you can stop whenever you want, get out, stretch your legs, have a hot dog at a greasy spoon. The life on a sailboat with kids seems cruel to me.

        1. I think we’ve had another post talking about sailing for great lengths of time. I’d be the Dateline perp who killed the whole family, gone insane after two days without seeing one Friends episode.

      2. I think I’ve read that blog. I come from a sailing turned power boating family, and my eldest loves to sail. When we (my brothers and I) were young (tween was not a word back then!) my parents used to take us on these amazing sailing charters in the Caribbean. One year we chartered Richard Wright’s (from pink Floyd) 78′ Swan. The Wall in platinum was on the wall! I’d love to continue that tradition, but holy cow🤑 My dad was not afraid to spend money in the ’80’s! We would never buy a big sailboat now, unless the boys become certified as crew–too much work. And we fantasize about living on a yacht like pictured above (under 100′, so we wouldn’t need a captain aboard), but my husband grew up on a golf course rather than the docks, so there is a steep learning curve there.

        1. I envision you becoming a famous blogging-sailing-boatscholling family that I can say I knew them when….
          Your ideas are all fabulous and I repeat – your children are the luckiest two on the planet with such creative parents. Whether boat or RV, sail or motor, your children will see the world up close and personal. A gift that keeps on giving. Your parents taught you well!

  7. I’d choose a boat over an RV. There’s a lot of beautiful sailing to be had along the east coast. Spend summers in New England, winters in the Caribbean and spring and fall months sailing between the two. That is, of course, if I were a tad younger. The RV is more realistic. Brings me back to the days of the VW Camper.

    1. Romantically thinking, the boat is a much more spiritual way to see the world -but I think it’s far scarier in terms of the unknown – the storm waters, the boat malfunctioning in the middle of nowhere, and children ill and not a port within a thousand miles.
      We never did the VW camper thing – we really never camped much except for the White Mountain huts – that was a sensational time for the kids.

  8. The closest we came to camping was in the back yard. On some warm summer nights I do sleep out on the screened porch.
    1,000 miles out in the middle of some ocean? No, I don’t think so. A leisurely sail down the coast is what I have in mind. Possibly Bermuda if I feel adventuresome enough. And, who said anything about taking the kids along?
    Dreams are nice but they’ll be nicer if the right (mine) numbers come up tomorrow night.

    1. And, who said anything about taking the kids along?

      My bad! 🙂 🙂

      I have a Mega Millions ticket for tonight ($140+m) and a ticket for the paltry PB $40m tomorrow night. Good luck.

      1. Oh, rats. I didn’t know MegaMillions was going to be my ticket to Easy Street tonight. I’m such a casual lottery player and didn’t buy the winning ticket. Hope you did, EOS. 40 Mil will work for me tomorrow and I will get a ticket for that one- if I remember.

        1. Tie a reminder string around your finger then hope you remember why you tied the string. My reminder to buy a ticket is seeing the work this house needs. Oy!

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